Good write up, hater. What you've written is the reason I haven't watched this movie. And I'm normally like a magnet to tragic movies -- but, don't worry! Even though I'm compelled for some reason to watch tragic things -- I'm okay!
How was Adam Sandler in it? I always assume Don Cheadle's gonna be good in whatever movie he's in, but I could see what I thought to be Sandler's attempt at serious acting in the previews. And that's the main reason it really doesn't really interest me to see this movie.
I'm not just a (mediocre) comedian, I'm also a (mediocre) serious actor!
Dan Leo
· 2 years ago
I'm a sucker for a good tragedy also, Blue, so don't feel bad. Believe it or not, even with my misgivings about this movie, I still choked up at the appropriate moments. It pushes all the right three-hanky buttons.
And -- I know this is going to be a real Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not statement for me -- Sandler's performance was not one of the reasons for my misgivings about the movie. Don Cheadle was predictably fine, but Sandler's performance was fine with me also. As so often is the case with Hollywood dramas, the problem was the script. I'm constantly amazed at the low quality of feature screenplays, that nowhere along the way the stars or producers didn't just say, "No, this is not good enough. We need to rewrite this."
Kathleen Maher
· 2 years ago
Is the constitutional Pursuit of Happiness still recognized? I'm not being coy here, I'm honestly not sure. Freedom of Religion is certainly nothing like the ideal from history lessons. But there again, I probably misunderstood: For years I imagined the phrase was: Freedom from Religion. But then, in the movies, anyway, if Liv Tyler's your therapist, perhaps any- and everything really is still possible.
Dan Leo
· 2 years ago
To answer your question, Kathleen, actually the entire constitution has now been subsumed by the Patriot Act, and if you're against the Patriot Act then you're obviously not a patriot.
If Liv Tyler were my therapist I'd probably be sitting there inventing problems for myself just to keep the therapy going.
Manny Maher
· 2 years ago
I'm tempted to ask "are you okay, Dan?"
But on a more serious note, what did you think of Syriana? Or Traffic? I think those were great "serious" movies without contrived endings.
Exceptions that prove the rule, perhaps.
Dan Leo
· 2 years ago
What? Don't I sound okay? Omigod,I'd better make an appointment with Dr. Liv Tyler!
Ahem...y'know, it's funny, Manny, when I wrote the piece I was trying to think of the last American dramatic movie I'd seen which I liked without reservations and I drew a blank; but it was late and I figured there must have been some good recent ones.
You're right, "Traffik" and "Syriana" were serious works done seriously, but they were also somewhat, um, didactic. And they were both of that sort of movie which is popular now among the moviemakers who attempt seriousness, the multiple-storyline movie, which is fine, but which can lend itself to a certain shallowness of treatment because each storyline is only getting 20 or 30 minutes of story-telling time; and then there's that sometimes awful lurching when the plotlines are supposed to merge. Movies of this sort that did not impress me so much were the recent "Crash" and "Babel"(which was made by a Mexican, but I mention it as an example of this sort of portmanteau movie).
"Good Night and Good Luck" was another well-meaning movie that suffered a little from its good intentions I think, and from its multiple storyline approach.
Clint Eastwood was really trying to make serious films about war with his last two pictures about Iwo Jima, and I think he did a pretty noble job with "Letters From Iwo Jima". But if you look at "Fires on the Plain" or "The Burmese Harp" both directed by Kon Ichikawa, and both of which deal with similar themes to "Letters", there is a big difference somehow in the level of artistry -- unless I'm just showing a stupid preference for foreign and older films.
The Montgomery Clift blogathon that's going on -- please check The Self Styled Siren's beautiful contribution at http://selfstyledsiren.blogspot.com/2007/10/on-... -- got me to thinking of some of the good old Hollywood "serious" movies, especially one of my all-time favorites, "From Here to Eternity". This movie was well burdened by the Code and Hollywood conventions, but I can still watch it and still be moved and even awed each time I see it.
What would "Reign Over Me" have been like if the young Montgomery Clift had been around to play Charlie, or if Fred Zinneman had directed it? For one thing, from what I know about Clift and Zinnemanm they wouldn't even have made the movie until the script was up to their standards, even if that meant Clift scrapping scenes and reworking them himself the night before shooting.
When it comes down to it, in order to make a movie that is a work of art, you need real artists to make them. And nowadays I think it's very hard for a real artist to make a serious movie in Hollywood. I'm not talking about actors or cinematographers or musicians, all of whom are artists, and all of whom have to take the best work they can find. I'm talking about the artists who can write or direct good movies.
Manny Maher
· 2 years ago
I see your point, though when I walked out of "Syriana" I felt it was the best movie I had seen in years. Looking back, maybe it did veer into didactic-land.
I had thought of "Good Night and Good Luck" too, but had the same reaction as you--the story was drowned in its serious intentions.
I have now spent ten minutes trying to think of one, so maybe you're right. But speaking of "Here to Eternity", Kathleen and I have it on our Netflix queue--I'll move it up.
Dan Leo
· 2 years ago
I'd like to give "Syriana" another shot. I didn't catch it at the theatre, and when I finally watched it on DVD, it was very late at night, and I remember having a little trouble just following what the hell was going on, which might well have been the result of the late hour.
I would love it if more reviewers would say, "I had a stomach ache when I saw that movie." Or, "Yeah, I was stoned, maybe it wasn't that good."
Ed Pueget
· 2 years ago
Do you get the feeling Americans are more inclined to self-pity? Three thousand dead on 9-11? Get the fuck over it.
I know it was traumatic, but the Hollywood effect is the most salient aspect of this trauma. Compound this with leadership that can't focus on the problem and you have our present clusterfuck nation.
My thought is very few Americans have the ability to focus and put things in perspective. In WWII Germany was losing over 10x this amount of people a week for 3 years! Russia? Multiply by a hundred.
We have over two million people imprisoned in this country, 30,000 people a year being murdered by hand-guns, and another 9-11 is the big "existential" threat?
Dan Leo
· 2 years ago
Ed, I would never question the grief of anyone who lost someone on 9/11, but it is true that Americans whine a lot nowadays.
Of course old-school Americans weren't whiners. People who came through the Depression and WWII didn't want to hear that crap. I wish my father, who lost his leg at the Battle of the Bulge (over 19,000 Americans killed) were around today. I would love to hear him let loose on the current variety of hysterical war-mongering chicken hawk.
Manny Maher
· 2 years ago
Okay Dan, I slept on it, and I suddenly remembered Sean Penn.
"Dead Man Walking"? Pretty damn serious, and an excellent movie. "Mystic River"--same thing. I haven't seen "Into the Wild" yet but it sounds good.
Maybe "Reign Over Me" would have been better if they had casted Sean Penn instead of the ridiculous Adam Sandler. Penn seems like someone with balls, and talent, enough to force changes in a silly script.
Dan Leo
· 2 years ago
Manny, I'm still thinking about the 1950s and what was going on in American acting in that decade. Marlon Brando, Monty Clift, James Dean. And even older actors like Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda who did some amazing work in that decade, while you still had Humphrey Bogart, Cary Grant, James Cagney, Clark Gable doing what they did. Karl Malden and Anthony Perkins. Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas, John Wayne, William Holden...and these are just some of the male actors! You also had Barbara Stanwyck, Joan Crawford, Susan Hayward, Deborah Kerr, Eva Marie Saint, Julie Harris, Joanne Woodward, Liz Taylor, on and on...
You didn't have this kind of wealth of acting talent in movies again until the early 70s, when all of a sudden you had the young Dustin Hoffman, Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino, Robert Redford, Robert Duvall..all of whom are still with us, but, uh, like Edmond O'Brien says at the end of "The Wild Bunch": "It ain't like the old days." His next line was, "But it'll do." Let's hope some new talented younger artists can break through. I just saw "Alpha Dog", and it had a young actor I'd never noticed before named Ben Foster, I thought he was terrific.
blue girl
· 2 years ago
Maybe “Reign Over Me†would have been better if they had casted Sean Penn instead of the ridiculous Adam Sandler. Penn seems like someone with balls, and talent, enough to force changes in a silly script.
Sean Penn is my new crush. And I don't mean silly, giggly school girl crush either.
I mean serious, let's go out to a dark bar, order some drinks and sit and discuss life -- crush.
Dan, you could come and read a line of Proust if you want. And then we could discuss that, too.
Dan Leo
· 2 years ago
Sean Penn not only has loads of talent, but he does seem like a guy you could actually sit down in a dark bar and have a few drinks with.
My one big regret with Penn's career is that, excepting his guest spots on "Friends", he hasn't done another great comic turn like his breakout role as Spicoli in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High". He was so classic in that. Sean just nailed that one to the wall.
kaiser Bill's batboy
· 2 years ago
I have a colleague from the U.K., and when I answer a phone call from here the first thing she says is: "Are you O.K.?" It confused me at first, because in the States it is a question, and in her case, at least on the phone it is a standard greeting. We as U.S. citizens are demonstrably not O.K. Those of us who are old enough to remember the Vietnam War are re-living the nightmares of our youth, inculcating the feelings of helplessness that gave birth to American nihilism and the "Me" generation. Oops, sorry, I know, it's a movie review. I haven't seen the movie. I Think Don Cheadle is brilliant, and that is the only reason why I would watch it. By the way, the bluebird of happiness will do a no no on your negligee, every time. It has something to do with the Flying Fickle Finger of Fate.
Dan Leo
· 2 years ago
I'm not sure who's weirder nowadays, we Americans or the British.
I've noticed that Brits instead of saying "Hi" when they see you say "All right?" with what seems like only the subtlest hint of a question mark. I leave that one to the professionals to study.
I don't know what they're so neurotic about; after all, they're the only state in the USA that has national health care...
blue girl
· 2 years ago
he hasn’t done another great comic turn like his breakout role as Spicoli in “Fast Times at Ridgemont Highâ€Â.
Well, we'll have to discuss that too. We'll put it on the agenda!
He does seem too serious lately for me to picture him in a comedy. Yet, not serious enough where I think he's taking himself too seriously.
That's what I think.
Seriously.
JLo_Pics
· 3 months ago
Very well written review
san antonio dentist
· 2 months ago
Adam Sandler is really a talented comedian and actor,
Austin Dentist
· 1 month ago
I love sandler's movies, he always makes me laugh hard while watching his movies.
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How was Adam Sandler in it? I always assume Don Cheadle's gonna be good in whatever movie he's in, but I could see what I thought to be Sandler's attempt at serious acting in the previews. And that's the main reason it really doesn't really interest me to see this movie.
I'm not just a (mediocre) comedian, I'm also a (mediocre) serious actor!
And -- I know this is going to be a real Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not statement for me -- Sandler's performance was not one of the reasons for my misgivings about the movie. Don Cheadle was predictably fine, but Sandler's performance was fine with me also. As so often is the case with Hollywood dramas, the problem was the script. I'm constantly amazed at the low quality of feature screenplays, that nowhere along the way the stars or producers didn't just say, "No, this is not good enough. We need to rewrite this."
But then, in the movies, anyway, if Liv Tyler's your therapist, perhaps any- and everything really is still possible.
If Liv Tyler were my therapist I'd probably be sitting there inventing problems for myself just to keep the therapy going.
But on a more serious note, what did you think of Syriana? Or Traffic? I think those were great "serious" movies without contrived endings.
Exceptions that prove the rule, perhaps.
Ahem...y'know, it's funny, Manny, when I wrote the piece I was trying to think of the last American dramatic movie I'd seen which I liked without reservations and I drew a blank; but it was late and I figured there must have been some good recent ones.
You're right, "Traffik" and "Syriana" were serious works done seriously, but they were also somewhat, um, didactic. And they were both of that sort of movie which is popular now among the moviemakers who attempt seriousness, the multiple-storyline movie, which is fine, but which can lend itself to a certain shallowness of treatment because each storyline is only getting 20 or 30 minutes of story-telling time; and then there's that sometimes awful lurching when the plotlines are supposed to merge. Movies of this sort that did not impress me so much were the recent "Crash" and "Babel"(which was made by a Mexican, but I mention it as an example of this sort of portmanteau movie).
"Good Night and Good Luck" was another well-meaning movie that suffered a little from its good intentions I think, and from its multiple storyline approach.
Clint Eastwood was really trying to make serious films about war with his last two pictures about Iwo Jima, and I think he did a pretty noble job with "Letters From Iwo Jima". But if you look at "Fires on the Plain" or "The Burmese Harp" both directed by Kon Ichikawa, and both of which deal with similar themes to "Letters", there is a big difference somehow in the level of artistry -- unless I'm just showing a stupid preference for foreign and older films.
The Montgomery Clift blogathon that's going on -- please check The Self Styled Siren's beautiful contribution at
http://selfstyledsiren.blogspot.com/2007/10/on-...
-- got me to thinking of some of the good old Hollywood "serious" movies, especially one of my all-time favorites, "From Here to Eternity". This movie was well burdened by the Code and Hollywood conventions, but I can still watch it and still be moved and even awed each time I see it.
What would "Reign Over Me" have been like if the young Montgomery Clift had been around to play Charlie, or if Fred Zinneman had directed it? For one thing, from what I know about Clift and Zinnemanm they wouldn't even have made the movie until the script was up to their standards, even if that meant Clift scrapping scenes and reworking them himself the night before shooting.
When it comes down to it, in order to make a movie that is a work of art, you need real artists to make them. And nowadays I think it's very hard for a real artist to make a serious movie in Hollywood. I'm not talking about actors or cinematographers or musicians, all of whom are artists, and all of whom have to take the best work they can find. I'm talking about the artists who can write or direct good movies.
I had thought of "Good Night and Good Luck" too, but had the same reaction as you--the story was drowned in its serious intentions.
I have now spent ten minutes trying to think of one, so maybe you're right. But speaking of "Here to Eternity", Kathleen and I have it on our Netflix queue--I'll move it up.
I would love it if more reviewers would say, "I had a stomach ache when I saw that movie." Or, "Yeah, I was stoned, maybe it wasn't that good."
I know it was traumatic, but the Hollywood effect is the most salient aspect of this trauma. Compound this with leadership that can't focus on the problem and you have our present clusterfuck nation.
My thought is very few Americans have the ability to focus and put things in perspective. In WWII Germany was losing over 10x this amount of people a week for 3 years! Russia? Multiply by a hundred.
We have over two million people imprisoned in this country, 30,000 people a year being murdered by hand-guns, and another 9-11 is the big "existential" threat?
Of course old-school Americans weren't whiners. People who came through the Depression and WWII didn't want to hear that crap. I wish my father, who lost his leg at the Battle of the Bulge (over 19,000 Americans killed) were around today. I would love to hear him let loose on the current variety of hysterical war-mongering chicken hawk.
I slept on it, and I suddenly remembered Sean Penn.
"Dead Man Walking"? Pretty damn serious, and an excellent movie. "Mystic River"--same thing. I haven't seen "Into the Wild" yet but it sounds good.
Maybe "Reign Over Me" would have been better if they had casted Sean Penn instead of the ridiculous Adam Sandler. Penn seems like someone with balls, and talent, enough to force changes in a silly script.
You didn't have this kind of wealth of acting talent in movies again until the early 70s, when all of a sudden you had the young Dustin Hoffman, Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino, Robert Redford, Robert Duvall..all of whom are still with us, but, uh, like Edmond O'Brien says at the end of "The Wild Bunch": "It ain't like the old days." His next line was, "But it'll do." Let's hope some new talented younger artists can break through. I just saw "Alpha Dog", and it had a young actor I'd never noticed before named Ben Foster, I thought he was terrific.
Sean Penn is my new crush. And I don't mean silly, giggly school girl crush either.
I mean serious, let's go out to a dark bar, order some drinks and sit and discuss life -- crush.
Dan, you could come and read a line of Proust if you want. And then we could discuss that, too.
My one big regret with Penn's career is that, excepting his guest spots on "Friends", he hasn't done another great comic turn like his breakout role as Spicoli in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High". He was so classic in that. Sean just nailed that one to the wall.
It confused me at first, because in the States it is a question, and in her case, at least on the phone it is a standard greeting.
We as U.S. citizens are demonstrably not O.K. Those of us who are old enough to remember the Vietnam War are re-living the nightmares of our youth, inculcating the feelings of helplessness that gave birth to American nihilism and the "Me" generation.
Oops, sorry, I know, it's a movie review. I haven't seen the movie. I Think Don Cheadle is brilliant, and that is the only reason why I would watch it.
By the way, the bluebird of happiness will do a no no on your negligee, every time. It has something to do with the Flying Fickle Finger of Fate.
I've noticed that Brits instead of saying "Hi" when they see you say "All right?" with what seems like only the subtlest hint of a question mark. I leave that one to the professionals to study.
I don't know what they're so neurotic about; after all, they're the only state in the USA that has national health care...
Well, we'll have to discuss that too. We'll put it on the agenda!
He does seem too serious lately for me to picture him in a comedy. Yet, not serious enough where I think he's taking himself too seriously.
That's what I think.
Seriously.