DISQUS

steverino · 2 years ago

...and we're off!

Claire Helene · 2 years ago

Ah... the existential angst of ad men.

steverino · 2 years ago

cheap closet reference

Dan Leo · 2 years ago

Wait till Don finds out how boring Ayn Rand is.

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

I love the Cooper moments...

M.A. Peel · 2 years ago

This series has the most depressing view of marriage I have EVER SEEN

Claire Helene · 2 years ago

MA, it has the most depressing view of LIFE and all relationships I have ever seen!

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

"I work in a closet all day....it's good to come out..."

Subtle!

M.A. Peel · 2 years ago

PJ Clarke's--I say we have a newcritics meet up there when the series is over to celebrate

Jim Tourtelott · 2 years ago

So the book J. P. Fitch had was Atlas Shrugged?

Michael Bierut · 2 years ago

Take it from someone who does this for a living: that sales job on the lipstick from Draper was as good as it gets. "Sit down." "No. Not until I know I'm not wasting my time."

Dan Leo · 2 years ago

I'm so digging that gay Sal is gonna get a girlfriend.

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

Great PJ Clarke's history here:
http://www.pjclarkes.com/history/

steverino · 2 years ago

Tom - they seem to be hittin' hard on that 5 pm closing time you've been harping about.

steverino · 2 years ago

Sweet fez, pal.

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

He does look kinda square...

ghosh · 2 years ago

Miles-Sketches of Spain.

cgeye · 2 years ago

Jeezum crow, he took the marijuana.

WITH A NEGRO CHICK IN THE ROOM!

steverino · 2 years ago

So...he was one of those digging kids...explains it all, no?

M.A. Peel · 2 years ago

Don Boy looks so sad, like something out of Jude the Obscure

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

Pot flashbacks?

Jim Tourtelott · 2 years ago

That scene kind of put the kibosh on Mr. Wolcott's Jewish Don theory.

steverino · 2 years ago

When does the tappin' start?

Dan Leo · 2 years ago

Sal's gettin' a boyfriend and a girlfriend!

Claire Helene · 2 years ago

Red jealous of Peggy's attention.

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

"Robert Mitchum" .... some kind of code?

Claire Helene · 2 years ago

Haha! I love the twisting, though.

cgeye · 2 years ago

Oh, the rock and the roll. I thought MAD MEN killed it in its sleep....

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

Geez, office parties haven't changed much - just the music and the clothes.

Claire Helene · 2 years ago

Campbell
is so very creepy.

cgeye · 2 years ago

sambucca con la mosca.

Howcum I could hear and type that, but the closed captioned folk didn't get the script in time to type that?

Michael Bierut · 2 years ago

What did Pete say to Peggy? Chubby was drowning him out.

ghosh · 2 years ago

P. J. Clark's was nothing like that in 1960. It was so much more intense.
These closet case scenes are so full of shit.

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

Jesus this is the best scene in the entire series....

Claire Helene · 2 years ago

Pete said something like, "I don't like you like this." So controlling and scary!

Michael Bierut · 2 years ago

Pete has the eyes and general demeanor of a serial killer. Odd how no one seems to notice.

David Halsted · 2 years ago

I'm gonna ask Peggy to that Hitchcock double feature.

blue girl · 2 years ago

I know, Tom -- if he's going to have a *pot* flashback he should at least take his tie off.

So…he was one of those digging kids…explains it all, no?

lol.

This comment thread is way better than the show.

steverino · 2 years ago

They've been telegraphing the Pete "serial killer" thing a while now - he DID show up at the office with a gun, for ex.

Jim Tourtelott · 2 years ago

Pete is controlling, but so is every man in the series (when he cares enough about women to notice them) including the beatnik with the fez.

Oh, except maybe Dick Whitman's father. Which is why Don hates Mommy.

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

Didn't Wolcott float the "whore-child" theory about three weeks ago? I may be wrong...

steverino · 2 years ago

Whore child?!?!?!?

Claire Helene · 2 years ago

I vote for Pete the serial killer. Ten to one he starts hitting Peggy or something like that. But she'll take it for some reason.

M.A. Peel · 2 years ago

Don Boy as a whore child. What did I miss. Why is Mom a whore?

-k- · 2 years ago

"haven't you heard? I'm a whore-child."

That explains it!

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

I'm pretty sure Whore Child was a thrash band out of Seattle mid-90s. I could be wrong.

-k- · 2 years ago

Overall, this is the most interesting episode I've seen in weeks.

ghosh · 2 years ago

beatniks doing the bunny hop? Never.
Quick cut to Steinbeck childhood with a mother straight out of Chayefsky's "The Goddess."1958

steverino · 2 years ago

NOW who's the whore?

Jim Tourtelott · 2 years ago

Maybe the best exchange in series history:

"The universe is indifferent."

"Man, why'd you have to go and say that?"

Why, indeed?

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

Jim, that's Whore Childspeak...

-k- · 2 years ago

"You can't go out there - cops,"

"No, *you* can't go out there."

steverino · 2 years ago

G'night, MA. It's been a blast. Thanks.

James Wolcott · 2 years ago

Funny, I was at a downtown party where the smell of pot was fragancing the air, then I come home and they're smoking reefer and lying around unmotivated on Mad Men: my life and TV habits are now in perfect fluid sync.

M.A. Peel · 2 years ago

Jim, the universe is obviously not indifferent to you--

Dan Leo · 2 years ago

I missed the beginning part, but I'm digging this series now.

I just wrote a scene for a story I'm serializing in my blog that's oddly similar to the scene with Don getting high with the beatniks, except in my story they're listening to "Kind of Blue" instead of "Sketches"; the beatniks ask my hero if he likes Coltrane and he thinks they're saying "coal train".

cgeye · 2 years ago

For moi, it's the stench of exhaled blunts, on the way home....

cgeye · 2 years ago

One day, Pete will spawn a Whore Child of his own.

By the name of Patrick Bateman.

Jim Tourtelott · 2 years ago

Why, thank you MA. (That is, unless you meant Mr. W.)

I have to say, the re-run of Tim Gunn's Guide to Style I'm watching is more fun than Mad Men. Anybody want to live-blog that?

cgeye · 2 years ago

I know this won't change the minds of the meh-agents and hatas out there, but this episode went to better than average once the Twist came on, and went towards exemplary, with Sal's scenes. Sal's almost seduction was the best written work I've seen on the show, simply because two intelligent people were speaking as openly and as erotically as they dared, all within the restraints of the time.

That glimpse of wrist, that bold taking of the Sambucca made me dizzy...

-k- · 2 years ago

Watching the "encore" edition (to see it a 2nd time)...Robert Morse is brilliant casting. I'm not buying Draper's mistress as a beatnik. The mousey chick who doesn't have a clue about Sal, the art director.

Did Eliott just flirtatiously swallow those beans? To judge by Sal's shocked expression, I'd say that he did.

-k- · 2 years ago

This week - $2,500 to his now ex-mistress.

2-3 weeks ago - $5,000 to his brother

When Draper dumps you, its quite a payday.

Tom Watson · 2 years ago

cgeye - I agree with you, this was the episode that betrayed some real promise for the series. Still clunky, still over the top with the "it's 1960!" cultural references, still firing blanks on Don Draper, but I liked it...

Jim Tourtelott · 2 years ago

Certainly this episode had moments hat were better written and acted than anything we could have expected based on past form--most notabky the restaurant scene. And it had its share of the more frequent charms it has given us, like the Morse scene. Several of its subplots, notably Pete and Peggy, were engrossing. None of that, however, changes the fact that virtually everything involving the central character of the series was unrelievedly dumb. There is no Goddamn excuse for the beatniks. (If I want to hear Sketches, all I have to do is put it in the cd player.) And Don's revelation that his paramour was In Love with the head hipster based on the evidence of the Instamatic was ludicrous.

Like most commenters, I think, I'm in this for the incidental pleasures. (Well, that and my entirely inexplicable lust for Peggy.) The principal of those pleasures, of course, is hanging out with you guys on Thursday nights.

cgeye · 2 years ago

Don's revelation? Not ridiculous, once we remember that Midge was alone with the boy, in "Babylon", wearing a sweater and her panties. She had no problem being the girl in a JULES ET JIM/DESIGN FOR LIVING sammich, as long as the boys fought over her, instead of each other.

I don't know how them NYC girls were raised, but if I'm wearing that little clothing alone with a straight boy, I think I'd like him a bit, wouldn't you guess?

Kristin · 2 years ago

Oh, look out Lois. You're about to be one hell of a beard. And did anyone else spot Ernie from "My Three Sons" as Duane in the art department? (Hi, my knowledge of television is entirely obscure.) Anyhoo, I finally got the new Attention Deficit Theatre post up. Stop by and visit if you like.
http://www.unboundedition.com/content/view/2366/

cgeye · 2 years ago

A love whose name is spoke, in the NYT:

Titans of industry, and ATLAS SHRUGGED.

http://tinyurl.com/2uz48w