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newcritics: Live-Blogging <i>Mad Men</i> - Darren Stevens or Cary Grant?

  • Jennifer · 2 years ago
    Although I haven't seen the movie in a long time, the first episode reminded me of "The Best of Everything" starring Hope Lange and I believe, based on the Rona Jaffe book of the same name.

    I'll also have to watch the first episode again because although the furniture was spot on, I don't recall seeing the iconic Barcelona chair.
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    I just threw the Barcelona chair in - more as a decorative prediction, actually.
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    Just checked out the first episode on iTunes, and I'm intrigued. The show definitely invokes the images of office life from those early '60s movies Tom mentioned.
  • Jason Chervokas · 2 years ago
    Does anything ever happen in this show or is it all about mid century style on display?
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    In this episode, it's about style so far - you're right. Looks good though.
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    Love that the mom is more worried about the clothes than the plastic bag over her daughter's head.

    And no car seats...
  • Jason Chervokas · 2 years ago
    Yeah, it's great design, great period detail, love the kids running around unseatbelted in the car, etc...but style over substance so far for me.
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    It's taking a while for the show to establish its storylines, but I love the atmosphere it's establishing.
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    For me, style is substance, so I can't complain.
  • M.A. Peel · 2 years ago
    From some angles, John Hamm bares an uncanny resemblance to Ken Olin.
  • Dan Leo · 2 years ago
    I got in from the gym just in time for the beginning of the show and I'm sitting here all sticky. A nice thing about 1960 was you didn't have to go to gyms.
  • Steverino · 2 years ago
    A major drop off from a promising start. Interesting coincidence (?): the founder of precision valve (aerosol spray king Bob Ablanalp)was a friend of Nixon's
  • Dan Leo · 2 years ago
    My vote for best show on TV: The Geico caveman commercials.
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    Even more amazing Steverino, is that he lived not half a mile from where I'm blogging this...
  • James Wolcott · 2 years ago
    There are so many cigarettes in this show I'm surprised Draper's kids aren't smoking. Nice to see Robert Morse, though, the one actor here who doesn't seem to be barbituated.
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    Aren't the cavemen on the fall schedule - I'm not kidding, I think they may be.
  • Jason Chervokas · 2 years ago
    Cavemen have in fact been spun off into a show...has that ever happened before?
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    The wife's nervous breakdown is an interesting subplot, and yes, all of the smoking is striking.

    Funny that Disney just banned smoking from all of their movies.
  • James Wolcott · 2 years ago
    These marital dialogue scenes have a real slow drip to them.
  • Steverino · 2 years ago
    Jason - California Raisins, I think? Vague recollection...
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    Could the whole series by a subtle end-around by the tobacco industry, banned as it is from advertising their products on TV - huh, huh??
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    The Cavemen did a pilot. I heard it sucked royally. It was based in Atlanta and apparently so bad that even Atlanta disowned it.

    (I'm from Atlanta, so that's self-deprecation.
  • Steverino · 2 years ago
    There's a good 30-minute show in here somewhere.
  • Steverino · 2 years ago
    "It pops right behind him." Can the dialogue from the closeted gay guy be any more hackneyed?
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    There was a TV movie based on that Mean Joe Greene Coke ad. So it's not unprecedented.

    Second week with a Freud joke: what do women want?
  • Jason Chervokas · 2 years ago
    I do love the smoking...I was watching a Laugh-in re-run recently (don't ask) and I was struck by all the smoking. Love it. I'm longing for a return to the heroic days of bad living in pop culture. Another reason I like Amy Winehouse's "Rehab.:
  • James Wolcott · 2 years ago
    That's why it took me so long to get married--I kept losing the cattle.
  • M.A. Peel · 2 years ago
    Did the Marlboro Man exist yet? Don seems to have just described him.
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    I still haven't found the cattle. Maybe that's my problem.
  • Jason Chervokas · 2 years ago
    This exposition dialogue--agency 101 circa 1960 --packed w/ period references, Nixon, Twilight Zone...is just too contrived for my taste.
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    Isn't 1960 Nixon a rather obvious black hat?
  • M.A. Peel · 2 years ago
    Oooh, jewelery. He's a keeper.
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    It is a bit contrived - like "hey you hear about this kid Maris the Yankees picked up?"
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    Starting to feel like I'm watching unproduced Douglas Sirk movies.
  • Steverino · 2 years ago
    This is making "thirtysomething" look like Shaw...
  • blue girl · 2 years ago
    Finally! I'm able to comment. I thought TW banned me from newcritics.

    I've had technical difficulty.

    I need a drink. Maybe even a shrink.
  • blue girl · 2 years ago
    So far, from what I've seen....which is about 12 min because of my tech problems...the men seem too smart and women too dumb. It's too exaggerated, kind of gets on my nerves.

    Nothing that a white gold small faced watch won't cure though!
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    Or a white gold wristwatch - and a shrink.
  • Dan Leo · 2 years ago
    I wonder if the Bray Brigade over at National Review are watching this and going, "Wow, life was cool back then!"
  • Jason Chervokas · 2 years ago
    I love the idea of this show--and not just because I grew up the son of an ad man in the 1960s--I'd love to see more period stuff on TV.

    But this is just too deliberate for me. All the stuff that is background, all the stuff we know was true of those days--the racism, the sexism, the times they are a-changin' stuff, becomes facile foreground. I know detail is what helps keep writing real, but this kind of piling on of tangential detail just seems gratuitous.
  • M.A. Peel · 2 years ago
    Is Sartre an uncredited contributor to the script?
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    Ok, a character named Kinsey is just a little too obvious (if only he was played by Liam Neeson).
  • M.A. Peel · 2 years ago
    Did we just fall into a Dennis Potter piece?
  • Jason Chervokas · 2 years ago
    We could play count the gratuitous references...the bomb, Jack Kerouac, ugh
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    Ah, a Kerouac reference - what took them so long. So now we have real depth for Midge. Women want beat prose.
  • sluggo · 2 years ago
    How many episodes are we guaranteed of this? Lots of threads tugged loose so far, and I'm looking for more beats and jazz and Castro and, oh there was the bomb just now. We have pictures in my mum's attic that could be from these sets.

    Single malt tonight, a few rocks only cause its hot.
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    Sluggo, it looks lik at least six episodes according to IMDB.
  • blue girl · 2 years ago
    The redhead in the office? Her sweater was rather, um, tight.
  • Dan Leo · 2 years ago
    What women want, Don, is to get what they want without having to ask for it.
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    Someone will need to die - and soon.
  • James Wolcott · 2 years ago
    Not to be a stuffy traditionalist and all, but I find myself missing a discernible storyline; instead, the social mores of the period are doing the heavy lifting, which is no way to advance a narrative. But it's nice to watch a show where none of the characters are tattooed--absence of ink gives the skintones an even golden gleam.
  • blue girl · 2 years ago
    I didn't see much of the show cuz of my stupid computer problems, but from what I did see -- it is beautiful, but it's so aggravating. To me, it's so forced. Was it really like that back then?

    I agree with M.A. that it's not charming at all. It makes me uncomfortable. Makes me kind of feel like I might have killed my husband in his sleep if I at that age and in that position back then.
  • Chuck Tryon · 2 years ago
    I was thinking that th sexism feels like a Neil LaBute movie without the profanity.
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    Yes, it's so damned nice to look at I'll give it another shot, at least. And invite you all back of course. But BG is right, it's aggravating, and not just for the sexism - it's too closed in, not enough of a sense of what's going on. I mean, it's New York in 1960. Show us that, don't tell us that (Jason's right about the gratuitous pop references - like a checklist). Put it into a greater context. The Sopranos did that.
  • blue girl · 2 years ago
    I missed this part...

    You know the guy who took the secretary on a tour and then kissed her later in the office?

    What is he? A copywriter?
  • blue girl · 2 years ago
    I mean, it’s New York in 1960. Show us that, don’t tell us that

    They can't afford location shots. They're cigarette budget is too huge!
  • sluggo · 2 years ago
    what sweater?

    and now I know why my Dad was a Gillette man. When he died he had 6 or 8 large cans of Right Guard in the linen closet. He always an early adopter.
  • Dan Leo · 2 years ago
    Y'know, the thing is Blue and Mrs Peel, you're gonna see these attitudes in any movie or TV show from 1960 on back, not to mention the stories of John Cheever and books like Revolutionary Road by Richard Yates, etc. So, yeah, I think it really was like that back then. I think it's still like that in about half the country. Life sucked in many ways if you were a woman back then, and it sucked a hell of a lot more if you were not white.

    Of course life still sucks now but in different ways.
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    Yeah, I was thinking about Revolutionary Road tonight. The whole too much happiness and suburban emptiness thing...this was no Yatesian tale though, as yet. There seems to be no discernable plot (well, except for Nixon).
  • blue girl · 2 years ago
    Yeah, Dan...but I get the feeling that the men are being portrayed the way men imagine and dream what men were. Not how they actually were.

    You might have one or two slick guys, but I imagine most weren't so slick.

    But, again, I saw little of the show.
  • blue girl · 2 years ago
    Somebody help! Was the dork who kissed the girl a copywriter? Was he the gay one?

    I need to put him into context in my mind.

    What's his story?!
  • Tom Watson · 2 years ago
    Straight copywriter - the "nice guy" of the bunch.
  • Dan Leo · 2 years ago
    Nah, Blue, the gay dude was another guy, and yeah, I think the other dude is a copywriter. Although I don't know who's gayer, the gay dude or that sweater chick.
  • blue girl · 2 years ago
    Thank you, TW.

    No way is he being portrayed accurately. No way! I've worked with millions - millions! of copywriters and none have ever been that smooth.

    In your dreams, fellas!
  • Jason Chervokas · 2 years ago
    There is no story, BG, that's the problem. Wolcott nailed it perfectly, period detail, social mores, and checklist of references have been left to do all the heavy lifting.

    And BG nailed it too--except I think the problem isn't just that the writers don't write women the way women think, speak, react, they don't write men that way either.
  • blue girl · 2 years ago
    This show is live blogging gold, TW. It's got it all -- everything you could ever want to rip to shreds, yet you can't stop watching.

    Gold, Jerry, gold!
  • Tom K. · 2 years ago
    *Hitler youth indeed. Cartoons, they are.*

    Thanks for the insight, Yoda.

    *“Stoned on martinis” doesn’t seem like whitebread 1960 executive dialogue to me, perhaps I’m wrong.*

    I believe you are wrong. Anyone out there old enough to know for sure?

    * * *

    I enjoyed both episodes. Doesn't quite strike me as true-to-life, more as satire disguised as true-to-life. But then, I thought that of the Sopranos, too.

    What I like best is: (i) the overdue de-mythologizing of the "Greatest Generation" and (ii) the even more overdue de-mythologizing of US society in the late 50s-early 60s. Conservatives, in particular, are guilty of suggesting people were so much better then. That always struck me as wrong: folks don't change that much, and someone was responsible for raising all those Boomer brats.





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  • Henderstock · 2 years ago
    “'Stoned on martinis' doesn’t seem like whitebread 1960 executive dialogue to me, perhaps I’m wrong."

    "I believe you are wrong. Anyone out there old enough to know for sure?"

    I was in college during the time in question, but did flirt with majoring in advertising, since that was the only way a slightly creative, artistic person could succeed in those days--or so I thought.

    "Stoned" was occasionally used as a synonym for drunk, but mainly among the unhip and non-drugwise, so it probably fits here.

    My wife and I caught two other possible anachronisms: (1) to hit on, i.e., to make a sexual pass at; and (2)reference to a "play group". I don't recall play being so organized by parents then, but I went to a public school in the midwest, so what do I know?
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