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Re: Green Beer and English: The Actors and Poets of St. Patrick

builder1 — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:23:38 -0000

I jut love that Irish accent, Irish is of the countries that has a rich culture. I think this will be cool just come to think of Irish and English in one play

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Slappy — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:48:08 -0000

If you are interested in reading more about Irish ancestry I HIGHLY recommend reading Adam's Curse by Bryan Sykes. Not necessarily about the Irish but the book includes a great deal about what is mentioned in your post Tom.

Sykes is an Oxford geneticist and probably had a great deal to do with said research.

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egoboss — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:54:17 -0000

... i love the irony of the fact that st patrick was a welshman.

as for irish literature, i have attempted and failed to engage with ulysses so many times now i focus on the works of flann o'brien. that's more my level.

anyway, to celebrate drink and literature we should have a dylan thomas day; now that would make a great parade in new york and would be apt also with some of his favourite watering holes being in that fine city - the white horse tavern being a mutual favourite.

yachy da!

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M.A. Peel — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:04:26 -0000

Tom, 2 thoughts:
I'm with Tom K that English literaure does not encompass Irish and American lit. Unless it has changed since I was in college, an English major takes a core in Chaucer, Milton, Shakespeare, etc., and must take a designated "Irish lit" class or "American Lit" class to study any of those writers. American Lit is usually its own major.

And, I just heard in a review of "The Wind that Shakes the Barley" there's a scene where the Black and Tans, in the 1920s, beat a man to death for not speaking his name in English.

Ken Loach is attesting to the struggle of the Irish to keep their identity through language, even as the Irish Free State was being born, primarily in English.

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Tom Watson — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:44:31 -0000

I agree that it's far from established - but it is true in my mind, yes.

English literature is written by English-speaking people.

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Tom K — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:40:44 -0000

*And empire-breaking, of course - the Americans from Cooper and Irving onwards have (successfully) staked a claim to English literature.*

That little "(successfully)" begs the question. Whether Irving and Cooper are part of "English" literature is far from an established thing.

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Tom K — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:38:15 -0000

*even from Cromwell to the republic, hostilities werenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t sustained.*

Yes, that's true. Oppression was sustained, but hostilities were often not ongoing, due to the thoroughness of the most recent ass-kicking administered to the unruly natives.

I'll stand by my contention that "sometime enemies" completely fails to convey the nature of the relationship, even while being literally true. (As there was a time before, and after, the adversarial relationship which, depending how you look at it, lasted betwee 400-800 years, and ended in the lifespan of the still-living.)

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Tom Watson — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:37:10 -0000

And empire-breaking, of course - the Americans from Cooper and Irving onwards have (successfully) staked a claim to English literature.

The language, which pre-dated the empire, will far outlast it as well...

Re: Green Beer and English: The Actors and Poets of St. Patrick

Tom K — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:31:26 -0000

An interesting point lurks here: the extent to which Irish literature exists apart from, as opposed to within, English literature. Milan Kundera had a great essay in the New Yorker recently about how you define "national" literatures once you are outside the major nationalities.

Your presumption is that English literature is enriched by the addition of Irish authors. Certainly, I can see why you think so. But there's the school -- I'll call it the "Little Englanders" -- who say, we'll stand with Shakespeare, Milton, Chaucer, Johnson, et al., and be judged without the Hibernian contingent; impressive though it may be, it is not us.

Eliot wrote an interesting essay from this perspective, at a time when, as he admitted, the state if Irish letters was much stronger than the English (1920's). He basically said, let's not salvage ourselves by relying on foreign elements: let's do it by improving English literature ourselves. (I can't recall if he noted the irony of his own foreigness).

I suppose it comes down to how you view nationality and culture: are they defined principally by language? If so, English Lit. should include all Eng-speaking peoples, from Washington Irving through Salman Rushdie right there with Laurence Sterne. If you parse it a little finer, the role of Anglo-Irish authors like, say, Swift get pretty tough to fix. All in all, a messy business. But as they said in "Breaker Morant": "This is what comes from empire building."