If I goes to college, will it help learn me to write really, really long sentences? Cause that is something I'd be really keen on learning.
Guest
· 3 months ago
great
Resumes
· 1 month ago
Most upcoming college students nowadays are choosing vocational courses, we can't blame them for now a days there are lots of vocational courses that can assure you a good job, just imagine you won't have to spend 4 years or more in college just to get a good job.
tina oiticica harris
· 1 year ago
Hello There! I've had 23 years of education. My husband,31 years, which include his Ph.D. Sadly,we come to the conclusion our son isn't mature or driven enough to go to college. His I.Q. is off the charts, but Special Ed law under W. has failed him. It'been a marathon of watching, checking and hoping for a change we now see is far from reach.
danica
· 1 year ago
Skiving off from doing the assignment itself yet - which is probably relevant to what I'm about to say - I think there's another angle here too. I never saw college as something that I needed to get into a particular career; I figured, even at the time, that if I wanted to go to school to get a particular career (at least one outside of academia), I would go to some professional school for whatever it was I was trying to do.
I knew I wanted to be a writer, and I knew I could write well enough and didn't need a degree to do it, just motivation and time and work. I was going to college because it was expected of me, because I figured it would get me a higher-paying day job in the meantime, but mainly, because I needed to get the hell out of my family home and I couldn't make it on my own yet.
I needed college as a kind of decompression chamber between childhood and life. And, both while I was an undergrad and later when I worked in the college's admissions department, I saw a large number of students in the same position. Whether or not they were studying what they wanted to be doing in life, (whether or not, in fact, they even knew what that was), they needed a place to find their own footing.
It became clear to me pretty quickly that many of us were emerging from the depths of dysfunctional, abusive homes - no matter how loving and well-intentioned they might also have been - and that we needed these four or more years to learn about boundaries, and healthier relationships, and our own wants and needs.
Damnit. Now I'm going to have to blog about this ;)
oakling
· 1 year ago
hee! I think that the point he should really be making is that many of the folks in his class are being asked to study something which has nothing to do with their jobs, using skills they don't have and which are also not relevant to their jobs.
Unfortunately, he obliquely skids past that point. He (or, of course, she - about which matter I don't have an opinion) mentions that many of the students are ill-prepared, find the material boring and the assignments way over their heads, and then... veers off into a lengthy anecdote about a woman who can't and won't actually live in reality or communicate about her schoolwork. And then zooms back near the point just in time for some rhetorical hoo-ha about whether or not doctors and cab drivers should have to read [insert socially progressive classic novel here].
The author tries to frame the argument as if it's about whether these folks should have to have college credits to do their jobs, but then makes all the actual points about things like whether they have the skills necessary. Ms. L. doesn't know how to use the internet or interpret an assignment or talk to human beings. Young police officers to be are bored by classic literature. Most of these students never took any extracurriculars and got bad grades. Blah blah freaking blah.
I'd say that the essay almost accidentally exposes some real issues. For example, I'll bet you fifty dollars that at least half of the students involved, here and in similar situations, have undiagnosed and untreated learning disorders of some kind. Ms. L, for one, clearly has some serious problems which go farther than that. There simply needs to be much wider awareness of these issues and more resources devoted to training teachers to notice them and to getting students the help they need. It's a problem which is slowly getting solved, too slowly for my taste. (And slowly enough that it apparently doesn't even occur to the author.)
Then, of course, there's the introduced and sort of forgotten problem of bizarre job requirements. I'd like to see a lot more jobs ask for evidence of skill and experience in the place of high school and college degrees. My girlfriend currently works as a cataloging librarian, with 7 or 8 years of experience in the same job; even so, and even though they value her and she is very good at what she does, it was like pulling teeth for her to get them to give her a raise. For years, they maintained that they couldn't give her a raise without promoting her and couldn't promote her any further unless she got a degree in library science. This despite the fact that I know people with degrees in library science, and what they cover in their brief study of cataloging is nothing compared to what she has learned in years of hands-on work.
I'd say that one aspect of both problems is just bureaucracy. It's easier for organizations to "standardize" things by saying, oh, everyone needs a college degree for these jobs, or a related one, or to take X college credits, than to look into what each job requires and what would actually make someone better at it. And it's easier for schools to overlook any problems students are having unless they are hideously obvious.
I don't think it's reasonable to say that college is a waste of time for these people, either. If they can take some classes and get promoted or get the job they want, then it's helped them. If they learn from it that they are not able to do the kind of work they are expected (like Ms. L, who is clearly not going to be able to succeed in many fields, and might as well learn that here - but won't) then it's helped them find out they need to change fields or get help of some kind.
What Professor X really wants, clearly, is to teach people who go to college just for the joy of learning, and to claim that that's the only real purpose of college and it's a waste of time if that's not your interest. Because if that were true, then maybe MAGICALLY Professor X would end up teaching students who are excited about analyzing poetry. And apparently, X doesn't want to do anything else to fix the "screw ups" that have gotten him or her into this "mess" today.
Gerard de grote
· 7 months ago
YOU ALL SUCK That is why your professors are on your campus teaching, because they failed the real test, which is being successful in the real world. Because they have lived in or around colleges for most of their lives they have built up vast stores of theoretical knowledge of how the real world works. The ultimate truth is that theoretical knowledge is just that – theoretical – and on the whole, almost completely incorrect.
To learn from people like this is dangerous. This is really not a joke. It literally takes years of your life (and we speak from experience) to get their stupid, disturbing ideas out of your head so that you can even begin to succeed at life. Which means you are virtually guaranteed to be screwed until the age of thirty-five!
Let us make an additional comment about teachers. For the past few years the “media” has started bitching about how ‘undervalued’ teachers are. This is utter bullshit that comes from the publicity arm of the teacher’s unions. In our opinion teachers are so overpaid for what they do it is criminal.
Ariel
· 5 months ago
Agree 100% and I'm twenty years old
t
· 5 months ago
Very well put......They get paid to teach the utter basics of any particular subject. They do not have any creativity and there whole outline is from a textbook someone else created. It is seriously ridiculous and you dont realize it fully until your done with college. You can learn everything on your own. I have a bachelor degree in architecture.
online college
· 7 months ago
Definitely college doesn't make a man intelligent..according to me its waste of time..One should gain knowledge apart from college books..
chiropractor seminars
· 2 months ago
There are so many people who wants to continue studies in college but most of them can't afford to continue it is really unfair tha some people can afford to study but chose to stop because of their social needs such as vices, these types of people should value the things that they have
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· 2 months ago
I like the way you look at it , college may not make a man sucessful or intelligent but can still be very beneficial !
San Antonio Remodeling
· 2 months ago
Most people especially the less fortunate ones wants to continue studying in college for they believe that people who studied in college gets a better job than to those who don't
Joshua
· 2 months ago
College is not a waste of time. Its a learning institute.
Krish
· 2 months ago
College is the institute of learning. It should be taken seriously by every student.
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I knew I wanted to be a writer, and I knew I could write well enough and didn't need a degree to do it, just motivation and time and work. I was going to college because it was expected of me, because I figured it would get me a higher-paying day job in the meantime, but mainly, because I needed to get the hell out of my family home and I couldn't make it on my own yet.
I needed college as a kind of decompression chamber between childhood and life. And, both while I was an undergrad and later when I worked in the college's admissions department, I saw a large number of students in the same position. Whether or not they were studying what they wanted to be doing in life, (whether or not, in fact, they even knew what that was), they needed a place to find their own footing.
It became clear to me pretty quickly that many of us were emerging from the depths of dysfunctional, abusive homes - no matter how loving and well-intentioned they might also have been - and that we needed these four or more years to learn about boundaries, and healthier relationships, and our own wants and needs.
Damnit. Now I'm going to have to blog about this ;)
I think that the point he should really be making is that many of the folks in his class are being asked to study something which has nothing to do with their jobs, using skills they don't have and which are also not relevant to their jobs.
Unfortunately, he obliquely skids past that point. He (or, of course, she - about which matter I don't have an opinion) mentions that many of the students are ill-prepared, find the material boring and the assignments way over their heads, and then... veers off into a lengthy anecdote about a woman who can't and won't actually live in reality or communicate about her schoolwork. And then zooms back near the point just in time for some rhetorical hoo-ha about whether or not doctors and cab drivers should have to read [insert socially progressive classic novel here].
The author tries to frame the argument as if it's about whether these folks should have to have college credits to do their jobs, but then makes all the actual points about things like whether they have the skills necessary. Ms. L. doesn't know how to use the internet or interpret an assignment or talk to human beings. Young police officers to be are bored by classic literature. Most of these students never took any extracurriculars and got bad grades. Blah blah freaking blah.
I'd say that the essay almost accidentally exposes some real issues. For example, I'll bet you fifty dollars that at least half of the students involved, here and in similar situations, have undiagnosed and untreated learning disorders of some kind. Ms. L, for one, clearly has some serious problems which go farther than that. There simply needs to be much wider awareness of these issues and more resources devoted to training teachers to notice them and to getting students the help they need. It's a problem which is slowly getting solved, too slowly for my taste. (And slowly enough that it apparently doesn't even occur to the author.)
Then, of course, there's the introduced and sort of forgotten problem of bizarre job requirements. I'd like to see a lot more jobs ask for evidence of skill and experience in the place of high school and college degrees. My girlfriend currently works as a cataloging librarian, with 7 or 8 years of experience in the same job; even so, and even though they value her and she is very good at what she does, it was like pulling teeth for her to get them to give her a raise. For years, they maintained that they couldn't give her a raise without promoting her and couldn't promote her any further unless she got a degree in library science. This despite the fact that I know people with degrees in library science, and what they cover in their brief study of cataloging is nothing compared to what she has learned in years of hands-on work.
I'd say that one aspect of both problems is just bureaucracy. It's easier for organizations to "standardize" things by saying, oh, everyone needs a college degree for these jobs, or a related one, or to take X college credits, than to look into what each job requires and what would actually make someone better at it. And it's easier for schools to overlook any problems students are having unless they are hideously obvious.
I don't think it's reasonable to say that college is a waste of time for these people, either. If they can take some classes and get promoted or get the job they want, then it's helped them. If they learn from it that they are not able to do the kind of work they are expected (like Ms. L, who is clearly not going to be able to succeed in many fields, and might as well learn that here - but won't) then it's helped them find out they need to change fields or get help of some kind.
What Professor X really wants, clearly, is to teach people who go to college just for the joy of learning, and to claim that that's the only real purpose of college and it's a waste of time if that's not your interest. Because if that were true, then maybe MAGICALLY
Professor X would end up teaching students who are excited about analyzing poetry. And apparently, X doesn't want to do anything else to fix the "screw ups" that have gotten him or her into this "mess" today.
That is why your professors are on your campus teaching, because they failed the real test, which is being successful in the real world. Because they have lived in or around colleges for most of their lives they have built up vast stores of theoretical knowledge of how the real world works. The ultimate truth is that theoretical knowledge is just that – theoretical – and on the whole, almost completely incorrect.
To learn from people like this is dangerous. This is really not a joke. It literally takes years of your life (and we speak from experience) to get their stupid, disturbing ideas out of your head so that you can even begin to succeed at life. Which means you are virtually guaranteed to be screwed until the age of thirty-five!
Let us make an additional comment about teachers. For the past few years the “media” has started bitching about how ‘undervalued’ teachers are. This is utter bullshit that comes from the publicity arm of the teacher’s unions. In our opinion teachers are so overpaid for what they do it is criminal.
it is really unfair tha some people can afford to study but chose to stop because of their social needs such as vices,
these types of people should value the things that they have